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Title: Fusk?
Post by: Panzer on 2002-12-02, 01:47:54
Stod vid AMG stealthad. Ut kommer 4-5 albar. Kutar rakt fram, viker av 90 grader, osså börjar dom hugga på mig.

Kan ju iofs varit en Scout med TS i närheten, men det där med 90 grader störde mig så inni helvete. För det var dead on me. Ingen letning. För de som kom var ingen av dem Scout.

Vet att Stinko råkade ut för en liknande grej. Iaf var det en illluktande grej det där.
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Post by: Jehannum on 2002-12-02, 08:52:33
Om det var någon med TS i gruppen så roterar han garanterat kameran när han springer för att se så mycket som möjligt. Gör jag jämt när jag har TS igång iaf, så om någon står 90 grader från mig är det inget problem att se honom ändå.

(och engelska ska det eg. vara på publika forumen, menmen).
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Post by: Stinko on 2002-12-02, 09:30:13
Mmm.. I were standing behind a tree in Cruachan and had been there for atleast 45 mins waiting for some poor hib to whack down. During this time 4 fg, some smaller groups and some grey hib had ran past my hiding tree and none had shown any signs that I were visible where I stood. (It was a GRAN and you can hide pretty well behind those and it was not a lone tree like the christmas tree in yggdra where you kinda know an alb is hiding.

Then suddenly Jeanelle (or whatever his/her name is) - a solo 50 Champion with haste runs past the tree approx. where all others had ran past. Then he just stops and makes a 45 degree turn and looks STRAIGHT at the tree.

Edit : He stood looking at the tree for atleast 10 seconds

I think "Whatta hell" and does a Nearest Target to check if he perhaps had spammed the button and had me as a target. I couldn´t target him with nearest target and then neither could he. He couldn´t have seen a lag-ghost since I had been standing on the exact same spot for 45 minutes. Well, so I´m staying hidden behind the tree waiting for him to continue up to Emain, since I want to take the initiative when making an attack from behind.

Then I suddenly get a Insta-DD on me from this Champion and at that range only Snare reached, so I casted it and started to run away since I lost the initiative. Some seconds later I´m at half health and I think I must mess him so I get away. It all ends with me dying and he at 25% health.

I were 1 millimeter from making an appeal to GOA and suggest that they check wheter Jeanelle uses radar programs or not, but I didn´t bother since I 1 sec before that decided to stop play DAOC.
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Post by: Lanfaer on 2002-12-02, 11:06:07
Oldbone discovered a few crossrealmers yesterday, big names within LoE it seems, nothing is for certain tho so they might be framed, but still .. their asses are grass if its true and we're the lawnmowers :P
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Post by: Svartur on 2002-12-02, 11:19:37
Quit using swedish on the public forums please.

Public = english

Gwaya start moderating swedish post.

And to the subject, Jehannum is right. I rotate the camera all the time to while moving so if you spot someone you just imediately turn in his direction.

In Stinkos case, she could have been left clicking on the tree. Then she will get you targeted since you are non-stealther but it doesnt sound that likely maybe. But it is one possible explenation.
Title: Fusk?
Post by: Stinko on 2002-12-02, 12:12:26
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Originally posted by Svartur
In Stinkos case, she could have been left clicking on the tree. Then she will get you targeted since you are non-stealther but it doesnt sound that likely maybe. But it is one possible explenation.


Yes, my thoughts too. But on 2nd thought - not very likely to click on a tree you just have passed or will pass in ½ second. Well well...
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Post by: Cero on 2002-12-02, 12:22:41
I just say 1 thing. Get rid of RA's and DAoC will be more fun to play. By getting rid of RA's you will not have zerg's, not 10 stealthers camping pk's, more groups, noone is über cause of FA,IP,Purge etc... in other words a really nice game, but now..bah..just hate it. RA's simple made this beautiful teamplay game a soloing rp farming game. Just like childlish Diablo 2, it's sad but true.
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Post by: Ardrias on 2002-12-02, 12:32:16
As for clicking trees:

I always do it, since I know myself I like to hide in them, so why shouldnt others?

And cross-realming:

Good, nail the fuckers
Title: Fusk?
Post by: Stinko on 2002-12-02, 12:42:28
Ardrias - You click on every tree you pass?

I remember I clicked on lone trees like the christmas tree in Yggdra ´cause they are obvious hidingspots. But in a forrest full of such trees..... you can´t honestly tell me you click on every tree to see if you find one invader, every time you run past them, over and over again??

I rest my case, don´t wanna turn this into a annoying flame thread
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Post by: Nightal on 2002-12-02, 12:50:22
well i spam the closest enemy button when i run
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Post by: Stinko on 2002-12-02, 13:00:19
Made an edit on my first post to better describe what happaned
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Post by: Torfa on 2002-12-02, 14:30:00
well there i always daoc unleashed or whatever its called, but the whole standing and watching you for 10 secs seem weird, i dont know
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Post by: Blotgjutir on 2002-12-02, 14:48:16
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Originally posted by Cero
I just say 1 thing. Get rid of RA's and DAoC will be more fun to play.


I'm not sure i agree there. Look at midgard before the RA's. We had the most L50 players and EoO and Warders owned emain but you gained nothing by farming RP other than a new even longer and easier to spot nametag over your head. You got BP but you couldnt buy anything with them.

...Most ppl left for other realms or other games...

Now instead of doing the same as EverQuest and makeing it possible to become 10 lvls higher with every patch or expantionpack the sat down and figured out another way to keep L50 chars on the servers. RA's didnt even out the game tho i think they tryed to with regars to the basic skills and abilitys that the different realms had. Maybe it isnt the best way of dealing with the problem but i still play and I think its better than to just farm BP in order to buy health reg vials off the guys in Jordheim.

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Regarding stealth cheats, well there are those radars, spyes or crossrealmers but i think there rather unusual. Atleast on the european servers. I've myself run straght trough penne with stealth and camouflage and have had infils running straight towards me unstealthed and starting to chop ritght away. "IT" happens.

I myself use to spam F8, klick trees and if you come close enough you get that bloody text over the chars head and you can bet your sweet hiny that it sticks out from/trough the tree bush youre standing behind. Most commonly you can see this just outside Vinsudal where there is a lone bush where less intelligent (if there is any in the other realm) players tend to rest. you never see them but you see the text sticking out of the tree, and youre able to select them.

Jeez im spamming away, i should get 10 posts for this one =)

//Blotis
Title: Fusk?
Post by: Stinko on 2002-12-02, 15:22:47
I´ve studied some of the DAOC packet sniffing programs available and now I´m even more certain that I´ve met H@x0r l33t c00l DAoC lamers several times.

The free open-source DAoC packet sniffers requires two computers, one running daoc and one running some unix clone analysing the trafic with the sniffer, and plotting EVERYTHING in your area in full screen graphics. Including name, health, guild, your mother´s name, state of drunkness and so on.

I take that as evidence as when players stop and look at you location doing nothing they are probably cheating. They have spoted you on the radar on the 2nd computer, but can´t locate you in the game because you are too well hidden in trees (in my example).

Yeah, show me your l337 h@x0r ski11s you freckin cheater s-o-b
Title: Fusk?
Post by: Stinko on 2002-12-02, 15:38:10
Relic raid with one sniffer on computer nr 2.
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Post by: Stinko on 2002-12-02, 15:39:02
And with window on top of DAoC. Non-free program
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Post by: Svartur on 2002-12-02, 15:40:56
omg

:(

Guess state of the game is worse than i thought.
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Post by: Darkseed on 2002-12-02, 15:44:06
Evul, my motivation for RvR just dropped rather much...
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Post by: Jehannum on 2002-12-02, 16:24:22
Although these program can't show all characters, since information about them aren't sent to you before they're quite close. And they don't show stealthed characters because informationt about those aren't sent to you at all if you don't see them.

This makes one kindof depressed anyhow, sad that programs like this exists, even more sad that it's like impossible to get rid of them :/
Title: Fusk?
Post by: Stinko on 2002-12-02, 16:55:21
What´s even more sad is that all trafic to the servers are sent unencrypted. I wasn´t even shocked when Brannor got his account hacked. It´s not even hard to sniff a network for passwords ://///////, it´s faaaaaaaaaaaaar easier than many believe. You can do it without any knowledge of network infrastructure or traffic at all. All you need is patiente when searching for the programs and when sniffing.
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Post by: sauna on 2002-12-02, 17:21:41
There will always be people who immediately say "omg cheater" when they get shot and owned in other games...start to think about how it might have looked from the other guys point of view or just report them to Rightnow.
Title: Fusk?
Post by: Cero on 2002-12-02, 18:07:20
Blotgjutir,


There are many possibilities for exchange of RA abilyties. For example:

RR1 you gain 1 point to skills and 1 point in str dex con qui pie int cha etc..
RR2 gain another point in skills and 3% resist all
RR3 gain another point in skills and 50 hits permanently 2 to str dex... and 2% resist all

And at higher RR's you gain the über things like Purge and so on but for diffrent chars, for example Purge will seer classes gain at maby RR4 but stealth classes will gain it at RR7.

But IP FA and such things should be excluded.

You get my drift?

Would be much more nice don't you think.

As I said there are many ways to make your realm points worth in some way.
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Post by: Jehannum on 2002-12-02, 18:24:28
I think the nice thing with RAs is that you get a choice. You can customize your char the way you want a bit more than would be possible without them or with your solution Cero. I like RAs because of this.
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Post by: Torfa on 2002-12-03, 01:21:45
well if they just removed the active RAs the character would just grow a little better gradually thru inc str and such, thats the best solution imo
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Post by: Jehannum on 2002-12-03, 07:25:25
True Torfa, exactly what I've been suggesting too. And remove see hidden too though, although it's passive.
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Post by: Tindel on 2002-12-04, 20:32:14
omg, when I see those screens I just wanna puke :pissed:
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Post by: Meatballs on 2002-12-10, 00:14:51
Just saw link from our guilds forum so thought I'd stick mah nose in :P
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Originally posted by Stinko
Ardrias - You click on every tree you pass?

I remember I clicked on lone trees like the christmas tree in Yggdra ´cause they are obvious hidingspots. But in a forrest full of such trees..... you can´t honestly tell me you click on every tree to see if you find one invader, every time you run past them, over and over again??

I rest my case, don´t wanna turn this into a annoying flame thread


I repeatedly click on some well camped trees when running about emain, not selecting each tree specifically, but spam left click and shake mouse about whilst auto running on trees LHS of APK, trees by gorborchends, trees by grannies, trees opposite grannies, trees either side of AMG, trees either side of MMG, doesn't pick many things up cept a few alp luachras but sometimes comes up trumps :)

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Originally posted by Blotgjutir


I myself use to spam F8, klick trees and if you come close enough you get that bloody text over the chars head and you can bet your sweet hiny that it sticks out from/trough the tree bush youre standing behind. Most commonly you can see this just outside Vinsudal where there is a lone bush where less intelligent (if there is any in the other realm) players tend to rest. you never see them but you see the text sticking out of the tree, and youre able to select them.


Rebind F8 to Space, not only isit easier to reach (unless you using a vastly different config than the default) it makes closest enemy spamming so much easier :) Im nearly always holding down spacebar when Im running along, unless Im with my wizzy and theres mobs near i dont (wont auto target sneaky hunters when they hurt me if mobs targetted first :( ).


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Originally posted by Svartur

And to the subject, Jehannum is right. I rotate the camera all the time to while moving so if you spot someone you just imediately turn in his direction.  


If you dont rotate camera when running about you're a fool, oh how much fun I have running behind a mid zerg unstealthed because no-one bothers to look behind :)

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Originally posted by Stinko

What´s even more sad is that all trafic to the servers are sent unencrypted.


Your daoc client would have all the information needed to decrypt the encryption anyway, they tried changing the encryption versus the everquest "radar" (dont know what its called never really played eq) but they cracked it within a day or something.

Oh and another great tool for finding people /face, keep running with that held down when someones stealthing (if ye got see hidden (Thorn :twak: Hunters) or if they've run into some bushes or something :)
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Post by: Stinko on 2002-12-10, 08:50:32
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Originally posted by Meatballs
Your daoc client would have all the information needed to decrypt the encryption anyway, they tried changing the encryption versus the everquest "radar" (dont know what its called never really played eq) but they cracked it within a day or something.


That is so wrong. It´s true if you always use the same encrypt/decrypt key but no good encryption uses same key over and over again.

It wouldn´t be that hard really to use different keys with different users/clients to severly hinder the use of radar programs.

But my main concernt with the fact that the traffic is unencrypted is that your account information is sent in easy eavesdropped ways every time you log in. Very disturbing to me. The info is probably even sent in ASCII (like telnet, pop3, smpt and other popular protocols) and not even making it hard to intercept and misuse....
GRRRRRR :pissed:
Title: Fusk?
Post by: Meatballs on 2002-12-10, 13:19:40
If they use different keys for different users/clients, that key will be stored/calculated on your computer, given that you're daoc program has to find and use this key, they wouldn't have much difficulty obtaining the key from a file/registry/calculating it/nabbing it from memory for the radar program.

But they could encrypt it to help prevent usernames/passwords being picked up by people I guess.
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Post by: VAYASEN on 2002-12-11, 17:54:38
Vayasen here, leader of the Lords of England of Albion.

1st of all, Hi!,  pleasure to meet and fight most of you.



Id like to completely refute what 'Fanfaer' posted near the top of this thread, regarding possible LOE crossrealming and cheating.

If there is anyone on this game that is as disgusted with Spies and cheats as much as I am, then i'd be very surprised.  I have led LOE trhough 5 MMORPGS over 6 years and can honestly say Ive never encountered anythign in MMORPG ters, that leave sme as disgusted as I do when I ponder the Midgard spy LOE  have within their ranks.

Guys, im working on the issue and so far I even know which noble Midgard guild has a spy in our rank.  Please dont come here asking me to prove it.  I know what I know....and I intend to work even harder to get this person and those peopel linked with cheating LOE out of much of the fun in this game.  Im coming for you (see a BW post near you soon when I feinall yconfirm which guild(known already) and the people involved(already have peopel being monitored).

Anyways...back to the point about LOE suspected cheating.  As long term Leader of LOE, I garuntee you....ANY1 in LOE caught spying will be evicted from the guild immeadiately.  I conduct 80% of LOE operations on a guild level in terms of RVR and I assure you.....the 2 times I hav ehad info passed to me from a non guilded source (the peopel involved were reported) I hav enot mentioned a thing about them to ANY1.

Please guys, LOE while I am in command will NEVER use spies or any kind of RVR cheating.  I play this game for the rivalry in RVR and the fun of trying different tactics.  I led the ALB failed relic raid on Moonday and fair play to you, we were postted and you reacted well....very well........nice defending.  THAT IS HOW IT SHOULD BE....a great Mid victory.   Losing to good play and good tactics is something we should all learn to admire on occasion.

Losing to cheating people who....lets face it...will shorten the life of this game.....is NOT ON.



If yu are in any doubt of my noble intentions in terms of spies etc......talk to albs in MIRC.  Although im sure I have a few enemies ....im pretty confident enough to say that most would say im as honest and as helpfull guy as you can find in DAOC.  CHEATING IS NOT MY WAY.


Guys I know LOE has a spy in its ranks (please dont insult me by challenging me on that)...I also know the guild which is operatiing off info provided by this spy.  Stop the spying before a lot of damage is caused to A- the game.  B- the guild whcih you are in (that goes to the Guild and the people themselves that are under suspicion).

Cya on the battlefields.
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Post by: Acid on 2002-12-11, 18:14:25
Who is the spy then, and what guild? :)
Just hang em out there to get wacked...
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Post by: VAYASEN on 2002-12-11, 18:33:03
Acid -

Id love to out it all now...but its also not my style to throw around unproven accusations.

I know the guild for FACT.  Its is a very active Mid guild.



While names have been mentioned...and a few other little things.....I do not know for fact the actualspy name and the people responsble.



In a way, I hope these posts 'frighten' the people cheating us all (yes they are cheating you fair playing mid folk too),,,,,frighten them into cancelling all cheat use..spies and the like.


However, I wont hold my breath for that kind of noble action....so instead im having to go trhough official channels to get people and all those in the repsonsible guild..who are willfully cheating...banned.


If you have any info that might be of use to me...email me at ANDREWRANTA@aol.com

Any1 supplyinhg info will be treated with total confidentiallity, no names will be mentioned about those trying to help eradicate cheating from the game.....and I thank those midas that have already supplied me with info on our cheat(s).

I dont want to turn this into some long argeument about cheating with LOE etc etc....so ill sign off here and leave this board to you (smelly ;p) mids.

Cya in the frontiers all.
Title: crossrealming ?
Post by: infiltrator on 2002-12-14, 03:21:44
ignore this post, or delete it, sorry for the inconvinience.
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Post by: Acid on 2002-12-14, 12:35:39
Anyway...I havent seen Blakkr around for a looong time ;) :clap:
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Post by: Lanfaer on 2002-12-16, 09:50:03
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Originally posted by VAYASEN
Id like to completely refute what 'Fanfaer' posted near the top of this thread, regarding possible LOE crossrealming and cheating.
 have peopel being monitored).


Like I said in my post, we weren't sure if this was just someone trying to frame you "nice" chaps ;). Guess it wasn't since you're still out there :P

Cya in my x-hairs =)